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Command Sergeant Major
Points: 20
Aug 11, 2007 9:03 pm

Thinkin of getting a mossberg 500 tactical for a secondary home defense, but I'm leaning towards a ruger sp101 .38 special, who has both? All my handguns are automatics and rifles don't have a revolver and don't have a shotgun those are the only two I don't have.


Lieutenant Colonel
Points: 360
Aug 11, 2007 10:11 pm

well i don't think you should bother with a .38 spl, the round is weak and ineffecient, just as well go with a 357(that can fire .38's too) or a .44. but i personaly perfer automatics, they are a little safe sense you can keep it unloaded and they're not hard to load, and reloadign can be much faster tha and revolver with plenty of practice. And the automatics choice of chamberings are on par the the .40 and .45. As forh the mossberg, had one in Iraq wasn't impressed with it, Remington 870 or benelli nova is the way to go i think, but this is all my persoanl opinion


Major General
Points: 812
Aug 12, 2007 2:14 pm

Shotgun for sure. It's the perfect home defense weapon. Imagine hearing your window breaking, someone climbing in. You reach for your 12 gauge, you step out from your room and flip on a light. Your temporarily blinded until your eyes adjust. So is the bad guy, you pump your shotgun and he craps himself if he has any sense. If he doesn't you just fire at his torso, not need for shot placement as doubble 00 buck puts him down with one loud bang.

A shotgun for home defense eliminates most human factors, shaking, blinded, surprised. It's great if you can knock the bulls eye out of a target, but a target never fights back, never threatens and you shouldn't fear paper.

"We deal in Lead, friend." Steve Mcqueen from the Magnificent Seven.


Lieutenant Colonel
Points: 360
Aug 12, 2007 3:50 pm

Yeha the pshycological affect of the sound of a shotgun racking has a huge affect. And the shot gun is great sense you just point and shoot not aim then shoot.

Yeha there's a big difference between my training and the first time i actuly dropped a haji in a gun fight. But training isn't any less important.


Command Sergeant Major
Points: 20
Aug 12, 2007 9:21 pm

yeah, just recently saw a rem 870 just might get that, thanks.


Command Sergeant Major
Points: 20
Aug 12, 2007 9:25 pm

yeah you're right hearing one being pumped does make me think twice, thanks.

(parabellum) Latin for: If you seek peace, prepare for war.


Sergeant Major
Points: 16
Aug 14, 2007 4:44 pm

I gave upon shotguns for home defence, my wife saw off the last would be intruder with a hatchet. didn't even wake the kids.... how's that for efficiency


Command Sergeant Major
Points: 20
Aug 14, 2007 7:39 pm

good point.


Master Sergeant
Points: 9
Aug 26, 2007 1:03 pm

The Mossberg 500 Persuader with a collapseable stock and Sure Fire tac light loaded with 00 buck and slugs is my choice for an unwanted intruder in the dead of night...the lights pressure pad switch will illuminate the idiot when needed and not give away your position and the shortened stock allows ease of movement through narrow halls and doorways...chambering a shell is a sound anyone can identify!


Lieutenant Colonel
Points: 276
Aug 26, 2007 6:25 pm

In my opinion we should have both but i think it's more useful to have a big cal gun in our houses because its easier to handle in a close space like rooms or halls so you can get a nice clear shot if its necesary.
Shotguns are bigger and heavyier and you can "crash" with the doors and the walls and it can be more difficult to aim.


Major
Points: 230
Aug 27, 2007 3:21 am

Haha..The hatchet Idea does work well.
In my country gun laws make it enormously difficult to keep firearms for self defence, So my wife and I keep Kuhkri's close to hand...But it hasn't stopped me modifying a Mossberg 98 ('cos it does sound & look cool).


Major General
Points: 1098
Aug 27, 2007 4:23 am

YOU CAN USE SHOT GUN IF YOU WANT TO TRASH YOUR HOUSE ! ENTRY TEAM USES ONE, BUT THEY DONT OWN THE PLACE. WACH KIDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IF YOUR USEING SLUGS ! HATCHET IS NICE , BUT IF YOUR WIFE IS SLEEPING WITH ONE WATCH OUT HA,HA . AND THE MOST DANGERES NOISE , IS NOTHIN AT ALL . IF I HERE YOU RACK IT ,I KNOW WHAT IM DEALING WITH , AND PRETTY MUCH WERE YOU ARE. ( FOOD FOR THAUGHT )


Major General
Points: 812
Aug 28, 2007 3:02 pm

Well Fred most people will pump the shotgun because keeping a round in the chamber isn't the safest thing. Your average thug is brought up with copious amounts of tv, to them that sound is scary as hell. Your right that slugs are not bullets for home defense, but a handgun round or rifle round can easily rip through a wall. As for trashing your house, that's only if you miss, and missing with a shotgun at the range of an average house is a feet to accomplish. I'd like the bad guy to know what he's dealing with, an armed civillain with some serious firepower. I'd also want the bastard to come to me, that way I don't have to stumble around the house, possible exposing my back to him.

"We deal in Lead, friend." Steve Mcqueen from the Magnificent Seven.


Major General
Points: 1098
Aug 28, 2007 7:10 pm

true ,rifle & hand guns go though walls to. and unless you you are baracaded for ambush.the average to less than average person who just bought the shot gun ,as he ,she is freekin out! some one is in my house. they are all over the place.if they can get the kids out with out makin noise ,do it! then call 911 and let them shoot ! use the shot gun as last resort. there is nothin in your house worth your life! if you are the confrontational type its your choice . inside the house 10 to 15 foot sounds like average room size 00 will still go though a person then the dry wall. and man is it loud !this is just food ! i hope people will train , think ,and be responsible ,i hope its not your kid gettin a glass water at 3am . fear is the evil that breads mistake !


Command Sergeant Major
Points: 20
Aug 30, 2007 12:49 am

how about shotshell for handguns? does it have any stoppin power?


Major General
Points: 812
Aug 30, 2007 3:44 pm

Your right, I'd call the police first, then try to confront the invader. I'd confront him to make sure he didn't find his way into a loved one's room. Hopefully he'd run when I pumped the shotgun, if not I'd hold him at gunpoint until the police arrive. I live way out of town, it took an ambulance half to hour once to get to my neighbors, so I don't have the luxury of close fast acting police.

I don't know about shotshell against people, I've only used it .22s for rats.

"We deal in Lead, friend." Steve Mcqueen from the Magnificent Seven.


Captain
Points: 146
Sep 18, 2007 8:16 am

Mossberg for sure..if he's in the other room you can shoot thru the walls or door at him. With a good dove and quail load it will go through but not out of your house.
Bullets will go thru quite a bit and keep traveling.


Command Sergeant Major
Points: 19
Sep 22, 2007 7:16 pm

I agree with the mossberg as well


Command Sergeant Major
Points: 19
Oct 5, 2007 4:43 pm

Shot gun or a more power full hand gun(I prefere automatics)
"these things i do...That others may live" Pararescue\


Sergeant Major
Points: 16
Oct 6, 2007 11:47 pm

LIVE FREE OR DIE.
My wife loves her 20ga 870 youth shotgun. She sleeps with and 7 shot s&w 38 made for +p. She says its to fight her way to get her shotgun. Good thinking.


Captain
Points: 116
Oct 11, 2007 7:50 pm

If you live in a piece of crap moble home like I do, you don't care if you blow a hole in the wall, just think your house is a lot cheaper and easier to fix then your famliy, I'd go with a Remington 870 Marine Magnum, w/00 Buck


Second Lieutenant
Points: 46
Oct 22, 2007 10:24 pm

Other than a personal preference of my trusty Taurus 9mm, I try to keep my Winchester 1300 marine close at hond, with the first round being regular duck load, and the next few rounds 00 buck. The missus always has her Lady Smith right next to the phone. The drill is to first dial 911, then if necessary confront, and then as last resort, start shooting. Racking will hopefuly initially scare the intruder away. If not the first shot will cripple or deter the intruder. If some drug crazed thug decides the duck load didn't hurt, the 00 buck will slow him down a lot. And if required the third 00 buck should stop him. If not, the 5 38+p wadcutters from the Lady Smith (the missus, who by this time has had time to properly determine the target, aim, and fire) should finish the job. If none of these things work, we figure by the time the thug gets to us, he will be severely bleeding, enough to be weak enough for the missus and I to beat the hell out of him with gun and shotgun butts.

I'd rather go hunting with Dick, than driving with Ted:


Major
Points: 214
Oct 27, 2007 11:42 pm

mossberg first of all,use a lite load dove and quail is perfect.if you do choose a hand gun a 38 spl is plenty of fire power you can get +p rounds if you want a little more heat you dont have to have a bazooka even a .22 is better then nothig but if you have loved ones in the house to worry about then stick with a lite load and a shot gun.but remember always say you felt your life was in danger.its not worth going to prison over some lost material posessions.