![]() Sergeant Major of the Army
Points: 35
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Aug 11, 2007 8:43 pm
in 2007 indiana will allow deer hunting useing a rifle that chambers rim fire pistol ammunition.i am looking for a bolt action rifle with a 24 inch match grade barrell in a 44 magnum or 50 cal.i have seen many lever action saddle guns with short barrells but can not place a bolt action long barrell in a mutiple shot flormat.anybody know a rifle on the market that can meet this need?keep in mind rifles like the barretta 9mm use a center fire round and are semi auto.doesnt meet the legal use requirments.i asked a fellow at a gun shop and he could'nt place one from memory.maybe one of you gun guru's can look into your crystal ball for me. |
![]() First Lieutenant
Points: 92
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Aug 12, 2007 1:31 pm
I don't know of any rimfire loads larger than .22 lr that are both pistol and rifle capeable. Got me stumped. I would also like an answer to this, question. |
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Aug 12, 2007 3:31 pm
Yeha i haven't herd of a rim fire bigger than .22 used sense the late 1800s but i don't know everything, i like dto know this too. |
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Aug 14, 2007 11:46 am
The first rimfire cartridge was the .22 BB Cap, which used no gunpowder by relying entirely on the priming compound for propulsion. Dating back to 1857, the .22 BB Cap is essentially just a percussion cap with a round ball pressed in the front, and a rim to hold it securely in the chamber. Velocities are very low, comparable to an airgun, as the round was intended for use in indoor shooting galleries. The next rimfire cartridge was the .22 Short, developed for Smith and Wesson's first revolver; it used a longer rimfire case and 4 grains (260 mg) of black powder to fire a conical bullet. This led to the .22 Long, with a longer case and 5 grains (320 mg) of black powder. The .22 Long Rifle is a .22 Long case loaded with a longer, heavier bullet intended for better performance in the long barrel of a rifle. The .22 Long Rifle is the most common cartridge in the world. While larger rimfire calibers were made, such as the .41 Rimfire Short, the .44 Henry Flat devised for the famous Henry Repeating Rifle, up to the .58 Miller, the larger calibers were quickly replaced by centerfire versions, and today the .22 caliber rimfires are all that survive of the early rimfires. The early 21st century has seen a revival in interest in rimfire cartridges, with two new rimfires introduced, both in .17 caliber (4.5 mm). Below is a list of the most common current production rimfire ammunition: * The powderless .22 Cap rounds, including BB Cap, CB Cap, and CB Long versions A new and increasingly popular rimfire, the 17 HMR is basically a .22 WMR with a smaller formed neck which accepts a .17 bullet. The advantages of the 17 HMR over .22 WMR and other rimfires are its much flatter trajectory and its highly frangible hollow point bullets (often with plastic "ballistic tips" that improve the external ballistics performance). The key disadvantage of the .17 HMR is its cost (at present, over twice that of the .22 WMR). The even newer .22 Long Rifle based .17 Hornaday Mach 2 and offers similar performance advantages over its parent cartridge, also at a higher cost. While .17 HM2 sells for about US$6.00 per box of 50 rounds, six times the cost of inexpensive .22 Long Rifle ammunition, it is still significantly cheaper than most centerfire ammunition, and somewhat cheaper than the .17 HMR. A notable rimfire still in production in Europe is the 9 mm Flobert, which can fire a small ball, or even a small amount of shot like a small shotgun shell. The 9 mm flobert is often called a "garden gun" in the UK, as its power and range are minimal, and it is well-suited for use in gardens, where the next-largest shotgun (a .410 bore) would be too devastating amongst the cabbages. The 9 mm Flobert is used to eradicate vermin such as mice and rats, and pigeons roosting in sheds. There is a type of ammunition for the .22LR that fires a small amount of #12 shot (about 1/15th ounce). The shot is only marginally effective in close ranges, and is usually used for shooting rats or other small animals. At a distance of about 10 feet (3 meters) the pattern is about 8 inches (20 cm) in diameter from a standard rifle, which is about the maximum effective range. Special smoothbore shotguns, such as Marlin's Garden Gun can produce effective patterns out to 15 or 20 yards using .22 WMR shotshells, which hold 1/8 oz. of #11 shot. Shotshells may not feed reliably in some magazine fed firearms, due to their unusual shape or relatively fragile plastic tips. Shotshells may also not produce sufficient power to cycle some semiautomatic actions. Life is short, THIS IS NOT A DRILL! |
![]() Sergeant Major of the Army
Points: 35
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Aug 14, 2007 11:57 am
working incognito |
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Oct 16, 2007 9:20 pm
Indiana's new law about rifle hunting doesn't say anything about centerfire cartridges. A rifle may be used that fires hand gun cartridges with a min. case length of 1.16 inches, and max. case length of1.625 inches. In magnum cartridges there's .357,.41,.44 and the .45 winchester mag. 44-40 winchester, .45 colt, .454 casull, .475 linebaugh, .480 ruger,50 A&E and the 500 S&W are all acceptable rounds in a rifle. |
![]() ![]() General of the Army
Points: 2044
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Oct 17, 2007 12:05 pm
Sergent Major Randolph, Please understand where I am coming from. I mean no disrespect. Unless your an expert shot and very confident of your round placement, the use of a non traditional rifle round to harvest deer is questionable judgement. For what you will spend for a handgun round rifle, a typical and more powerful deer rifle could be acquired. Remember vegetation and brush can and will deflect any round, especially a handgun round. Just because its legal to attempt to take deer with handgun ammunition, does not make it the best choice. You may be tracking blood drops for hours. I don't feel you'll have the required penetration. Men hit with a handgun round will many times keep coming. Not often, after hit with a rifle round. I would think that you want the deer to crumble upon impact or drop after a step or two. Just my humble opinion. "Those who willingly give up freedom for temporary safety deserve neither freedom or safety" |
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Oct 18, 2007 12:08 pm
Chaindriven is right. Get a 30-06 and drop your prey in it's tracks. |
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Oct 18, 2007 2:11 pm
Taken many of deer with a 45 long colt, the gun that won the west; hell they used to shoot buffalo with a 45 long colt. You just arn't going to find what you want in a bolt action, My best friend let his wife shoot his 45 long colt; killed a deer at 100 yrds and you use a revolver for the same rounds. So when you say "hey a 30-06 is it, don't forget the trusty 45 long colt to do the job. It does depend on distance and where you live, I live where you can get away with a brush gun but also need 7mm mag at the other end of the state. |